Talk:Tainted Eden

Reroll !more tests needed
I was playing around with rerolling mechanic, purposefully crashing game to get back to previous state from beginning of a floor. It seems like there is some factor that decides how items change. As seen with Glowing Hourglass the ways items reroll is set. So You get same items when you get hit each time. this extends to each reroll as I was able to replay whole floor getting each item on same consecutive roll as the first time. However something went wrong as I closed the game normally, as it caused some items to "change", which means the constant factor that decides rerolls was changed.

It is reasonable that re-rolls are seeded. The phenomenon you observed is probably due to the seed being shared with other item generation processes... --Ginger88895 (talk) 23:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Eden-B mechanic
According to my knowledge Beden is identical to normal Eden except his items reroll when he takes damage like a ppermanent d4 that activates upon hit Apronoob3 (talk) 17:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

yes that is his gimmick Carmph (talk) 02:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

oh yeah also if you get his birthright all of the items he had before it will stay when taking damage Carmph (talk) 00:40, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

does he need eden tokens
^ Carmph (talk) 02:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Yep. altough it might be a gitlch, he sometimes uses more then one --Deep deep down to the basement, Replacement goes as placement (talk) 13:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

What is the item pool when rerolling Tainted Eden's initial items?
It seems that Eden and Tainted Eden's initially rolled items come from ANY item pool. i.e. I have gotten Mega Blast, I have gotten Monstrance. But with Tainted Eden's general mechanic, I would expect that i.e. an initial item of Monstrance would mean that the first damage should replace Monstrance with another Angel Room item, but it didn't for me. Is the first reroll of Tainted Eden's initial items a special case where it comes out of the Treasure Room item pool or something?

Steffenwulf (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

It pulls from any item pool that Item belongs to. So, Mega Blast should reroll into another Devil deal active item.

However, I'm pretty sure its a very high chance of that happening and isn't actually always going to pull from it's pool. Also, Items like Purgatory can reroll into an Aganl item, even if it was picked up from a Devil deal because it's in both pools. Books have a higher chance of turning into other books, with the expectation of the Book of Virtues. (The game counts it as a passive item, so it'll mostly reroll into an Aganl Passive.)

Hope this helps. --Deep deep down to the basement, Replacement goes as placement (talk) 13:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The above is not correct. Items added directly to characters don't have a pool: the item pool is a feature of a *room* and starting items do not come from a room, and as such they default to treasure items. So, a starting item Mega Blast can reroll into Butter Bean, but not Berserk. --Frionil (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah, okay. I feel dumb. Again --Deep deep down to the basement, Replacement goes as placement (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Tainted Eden's achievement name seems mixed up with Tainted Lazarus'
"The Enigma", Tainted Lazarus' achievement name, seems more fitting with the glitch-themed Tainted Eden, who has "The Capricious" instead. Will someone please tell Edmund about this issue before it will make their way to the Four Souls games (cuz I don't wanna join Twitter)? --Blazerun19 (talk) 00:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * They seem just fine to me. Dictionary.com: capricious, adjective, "subject to, led by, or indicative of a sudden, odd notion or unpredictable change; erratic". That's definitely much more applicable to T.Eden than T.Lazarus, who is just enigmatic by being dead and alive at the same time. --Frionil (talk) 09:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Potential good item add: Smelter
Theoretically should include "Smelter" on the good items list since smelted trinkets do not reroll.