Talk:Cards and Runes

Merge the Playing Cards and Playing Card Backs sections?
It's bothering me that Suicide King and Queen of Hearts are in different sections on this page. As far as I can see there's no real reason for this, just a bit of disorganization. It seems to me like we could tidy up and consolidate things by just merging those two sections together. I've not edited much here and don't want to presume this is an edit that everyone would be okay with, what do you guys think? Any reasons not to do this? I'll do it if there are no objections. --Kodaichi (talk) 21:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the distinction is being made that the former are actual playing cards, and the latter aren't but share the back. However the inconsistency there was that Suicide King i.e. King of Hearts belongs in the former; I renamed the latter as "other playing card backs" hopefully making it a bit clearer? --Frionil (talk) 21:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Ace of questions
For Ace of Spades, can you heal with Keeper? Also, for ace of hearts, can you use Tainted Lost?

A murder of crows
This should be mentioned re. Soul of Eve as it's something which (it seems to me) that a lot of people – particularly non-native English speakers – may well not realise. (Probably some native English too. I've forgotten a lot of the collective nouns which I learned at school…) Pointlesslylongusername (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It's actually in the trivia section at the bottom (and that's where it belongs tbh). --Frionil (talk) 22:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Curses
sun card does not remove curses, only sol does. also, how do you edit info in tables?
 * The Sun card does actually remove Curse of Darkness in Repentance (but only that curse, no others). Also, remember to add titles to new sections and sign your entries with this: ~ TheMurlocAggroB (talk) 04:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Soul of Jacob and Esau crash
I have no idea where to report bugs for the devs, but I might as well list the bug here just in case anyone else gets confused because their game crashes every time they use this item. For the record, I was using Tainted Forgotten, and I was activating the soul using a Voided Clear Rune, but I don't think that matters since it still crashes even if I use it directly.

What's interesting here is that the items Esau spawns with are properly seeded, meaning that every time you use it on a given seed you'll get the same sets of items every time (tho obviously it'll change depending on how many items from which pools you have). Unfortunately, that also means I can't use this soul on this run anymore lol

But yeah, you can clearly see that the final item the game tries to give Esau is Birthright, and then it instantly crashes. This happens no matter how many times I try to continue; The first use of the soul gives the set of items including Star of Bethlehem, and the second use crashes the game. I even tried going to the next floor after using the soul once, and now it crashes the first time I use it after continuing, with the same set of items as before ending at Birthright. The log below shows what happened after I restarted the floor after the first crash, but every log after ends with the same list of items and a crash.

https://pastebin.com/PTSXfSnz

--Logiquers (talk) 21:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Potential Softlock with Moon? Card
So, seems like if the game teleport you to the Ultra Secret Room with Moon? and the red rooms connect to a secret/super secret room, the player might get stuck since they will need a bomb to exit the room, needs to be confirm (Happened to me once but I want more testing just in case)

--TBiscuit1 (talk) 00:45, 14 May 2021 (EST)

Soul of the Forgotten
The description for the forgotten's rune still says 2 bone hearts instead of 3 when I'm just looking at it, however; when I go to edit it, it says 3, and I only tried to edit this because I noticed someone changed it to say what it's supposed to be(3) however it still appeared as it's older version for me (I've reloaded the page multiple times to make sure). If someone can figure out what's going on or if it's on my end that'd be nice. Skelatone (talk) 12:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You just have to purge the cache. You can do that by hovering over the button that says "More" next to the search bar, and hit purge then press okay. Infoboxes and charts will sometimes lag on edits, so clearing the cache will fix it. TheMurlocAggroB (talk) 03:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, got it, didn't know that button was there, thanks. Skelatone (talk) 11:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Separation into two different pages?
With all the new cards and souls added in Repentance, this page has gotten a lot of content. Wouldn't it be a good idea to split its content between two separate pages, Cards and Runes? Also, with the new Clear Rune item being introduced, I don't think there's anything linking cards and runes together now --Meylody (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * What's the point? There are way more cards than runes, and the runes don't even take much space. They easily compact into this page and I don't see a point in separating them. --Carmph (talk) 17:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * By that logic, all the pickup pages should be merged together since there's only a few of each. Cards and runes are now completely separate as of Repentance, so I don't think they should be shoved into one page just because they were together in the past. Additionally, there are in fact quite a lot of runes now that soul stones exist, definitely enough to warrant their own page. A separate page for runes would also be very helpful so that you don't have to scroll past every single card to find info on the runes/souls. --Enderhippo (talk) 22:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * For one thing, you forgot to sign your message. For another, there are still way more cards than runes. For yet another, merging all the pickup pages would not be a terrible idea. Also, there are really not that many soul stones. They fit on the page, I still don't see the point. --Carmph (talk) 20:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Rune shard Perthro
Rune shard, when triggering the perthro effect, seems to have a high chance of turning the item into poop. it'll also always reroll the same item, even in a room with multiples items.

XVI - Tower? boss room potential softlock.
Using XVI - Tower? on boss room may render trapdoor to the next floor inaccessible, unless Isaac has bombs or flight. --MrSoup678 (talk) 08:04, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thought that was already listed, but it's not and it checks out. Adding. --Frionil (talk) 13:06, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Lovers?
As Tainted Lilith it spawned 4 pedestals during the Boss Rush fight. It did not spawn the single pedestal as described here. Also, lead to my death as I only had 4 red heart containers. --Landamus (talk) 00:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Tarot cloth bug, read its page. --Frionil (talk) 00:40, 13 June 2021 (UTC)